Super fun podcast where I was interviewed by art-podcast legends Russell Tovey and Robert Diament. It started by Russell asking me if I was aware of the website spieglergirls (owned by Mar*k* Spiegler) and then became a pretty loose-limbed meditation on the nature of art fairs, the artworld and and the degree to which exclusivity is the artworld's Achilles heel. At which point we all decided it was time to "normalize not knowing", i.e. stop pretending that you know who made an artwork and just ask!